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The Art of Selling Online Courses
The Art of Selling Online Courses is all about online courses.
The goal of this podcast is to share winning strategies and secret hacks from top performers in the online course industry. We are interviewing successful business owners, asking them questions on how they got to the point where they are right now, and checking how their ideas can help you improve your online course!
The Art of Selling Online Courses
Meet the Man Who Gets 7 MILLION Monthly YouTube Views
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Jason Stephenson has over 4.5 million subscribers and 1+ billion views across his meditation channels - and he literally works just one hour per week now.
But here's what shocked me most: Jason had no idea how massive his channel actually was. When I had him check his real numbers after our conversation, his jaw dropped. We're talking about a scale that most YouTubers can only dream of.
This isn't your typical "how I grew on YouTube" story either. Jason's journey includes a devastating moment that would have destroyed most creators, an insane content strategy that paid off big time, and a business partnership that completely transformed his life.
Plus, there's a fascinating challenge with his course sales that we dive into. With an audience this size, the numbers should be working very differently.
If you're building a YouTube channel or selling online courses, you need to hear this story.
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After about six months I start getting these emails come in that says you have a new subscriber, you have a new subscriber. And then it started to come in lots you have a new subscriber. I'm like what's going on over there? My first check for the month was $250 and I was absolutely over the moon. I couldn't believe it. $250 for doing like nothing. I think it went from, you know, $250 and to $500 and to $700 and $1,000 a month, and it just kept going. And so I had a bit of fun there. You know I was putting on my notice board Okay, what's my goal for the next month? Okay, yeah, let's double $1,000. Let's go for $2,000. By the end of the month, let's go for $4,000. And for 2,000 by the end of the month, let's go for 4,000. And these goals just kept happening. It was such an insane time. I will never forget it.
Speaker 2:So after the episode was done, I actually got Jason to go back in and check out on his YouTube studio how many views he's really getting, and I think he said he thought he was getting like 100,000 or 200,000 maybe views a month. 7 million, 7 million views in the last 28 days is what he's actually been getting. Hello and welcome to the art of selling online courses. We are here to share winning strategies and secret hacks from top performers in the online course industry. My name is John Ainsworth and today's guest is Jason Stevenson.
Speaker 2:Now, Jason has been studying the positive effects of guided meditation and relaxation music for over 15 years. His YouTube channels Jason Stevenson, Sleep Meditations and Relax and Recharge by Jason Stevenson have grown to over four and a half million subscribers with over one billion views combined, which is a number that just blows my mind. It's crazy, right. So today we're going to talk to Jason about how he's grown his YouTube channel to such a huge audience, what you can learn from that so you can do it too and we're going to start to get into as well, maybe some ideas and tips about how Jason can make more money from selling his courses to his audience. Jason, welcome to the show Thanks so much for being here.
Speaker 1:Thank you, john. It's an absolute pleasure to be here and it does sound a lot right. It is a lot. One billion views, that's like. Oh wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 2:How did this happen? How did you get started with this?
Speaker 1:Well, it started back in 2011 or 2012. And I had an online course oh sorry, an online um shop that sold mp3s at the time, and so that this was before spotify I don't think. I'm pretty sure it was before spotify and and all that sort of thing. So people were just just buying MP3s and downloading them. And so I decided to sell relaxation music, because I've always had this love of relaxation music and meditation. And then a friend of mine suggested he said Jason, open up a YouTube channel, he said, because you can send people. That's a good SEO tool to send people to your shop, to your store. And so I did that and put up some samples and not much happened initially. And I put up a few more nothing like one or two views, to be honest and I'm like what's he talking about? How can this happen? So I let it go. After about I must've had about six videos up and I just completely let it go. After about six months I start getting these emails come in that says you have a new subscriber, you have a new subscriber. And then it started to come in lots you have a new subscriber. I'm like what's going on over there? So I checked back on over to YouTube and it was just one of the videos, just one that had gone, that was going viral. It was just to relieve, help relieve headaches, actually relaxation, and I put it. I had some binaural beats in it, included in the sound, and I'm like my goodness.
Speaker 1:And then I got this email and now, at that time I didn't know we could make money. I had no idea we could make money on YouTube, no idea at all. So it was sending a bit of traffic to the website, not much, but I'd started to get a few sales. I thought, oh, this is cool. So he was right. You know, I got a few sales and as it went on, I got an email from a company and they said to me we believe that we can make you more money than YouTube. And I looked at the email and I thought what do they mean? Make me more money than YouTube? I'm not making any money on YouTube. Yeah, there's no money coming in.
Speaker 2:I don't think it's more than that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so I was almost a bit smart to them and I wrote back and said, oh yeah. Well how, tell me. And they just said you know, we'll do this, this and this and we'll take 20% and you'll be on money straight away. And I'm like, okay, look, I've got nothing to lose with this. So I signed up for the year and, sure enough, my first check for the month was $250. And I was absolutely over the moon.
Speaker 1:I couldn't believe it $250 for doing like nothing, you know, yeah. And then that's when it clicked and I thought, hmm, if I'm making $250 now and there's just a few videos, what would it be like if I keep putting up more and more videos? And so, sure enough, I hope you can't hear my dog, my dogs don't disturb you too much. Anyway. So I ended up putting quite a few videos up, and I was putting up six a week. I was just churning them out. I did that for three months, six a week for three months. And guess what happened to the graph? It went like this and then just went like that.
Speaker 1:So, because I already had that one viral, then all of them just started to follow and the channel just was going at this crazy rate. So every month was this massive pay rise for me. So I think it went from $250 and to $500 and to $700 and $1,000 a month and it just kept going. And so I had a bit of fun there. I was putting on my notice board okay, what's my goal for the next month? Okay, yeah, we'll double 1,000. Let's go for 2,000 by the end of the month. Sure enough, that would happen. Oh, this is getting fun. Oh, we'll try another, let's go for 4,000. And these goals just kept happening. It was such an insane time. I will never forget it.
Speaker 2:It was such an insane time. I will never forget it. When was that? What time period are we talking that?
Speaker 1:was about 2013.
Speaker 2:Okay, Okay, yeah. So you're going absolutely full blast. Six videos a week, and how long? You said you did that for kind of three months.
Speaker 1:Three months, okay. And then I pulled right back and then just did three videos a week Okay, still quite a lot, yeah yeah, did three videos a week Okay, still quite a lot, yeah, yeah. But I had this software for the music and so it didn't take much time at all, and I was just putting up royalty-free videos with the music and then I started to do guided meditations. One guided meditation a week, meditations, you know, one guided meditation a week, and that's. That's when it started to change things, because so people's.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what you said. This company had said they could make you more money than youtube yeah what were they?
Speaker 1:what were they doing? So I think they were called, like this, mcn I think that's the the initials of these people and they really weren't doing anything more than what YouTube was doing.
Speaker 2:Were they just taking 20% of your YouTube money? That's sneaky of them, isn't it they? Just turned on the ads for you, yeah.
Speaker 1:But I was locked into that for one year, okay. And then I started to think, oh my God, I hope I can get out of this contract, because I was hearing that people were having trouble getting out of the contracts and I'm like, oh my, you know, I could be getting 20 percent more anyway. They were very gracious and and I got out within the year, and then yeah.
Speaker 2:So what was working for you said? First of all, you had one video about. You said I think headaches something like that yeah really taken off. Yeah, were you finding that like all of your videos were doing kind of pretty similar, or was it like occasionally you'd have one that was a giant standout? I saw, like on your, on your channel now, your best videos from like six or seven years ago.
Speaker 1:I forget how many um views it had, but it was a staggering number yeah, I think one of the best ones we've got is a rain, rain sound video. I'm sure that's one of the the bigger ones. You know it's got 30 something million or um.
Speaker 2:So you've got, yeah, relaxing. This is on your jason stevenson guided sleep meditation channel yeah relaxing rain and thunder sounds.
Speaker 1:60 million views yeah oh my goodness, if 60, 60 million double what you used to be 30.
Speaker 2:60 million double what you thought it used to be 30. So did you start to get an idea of which ones we're going to take off, or were you just like just put out the volume and just we'll see what happens?
Speaker 1:Initially I was putting out the volume and just seeing what happens. I was just excited by it and I was coming up with all these creative ideas. It was a great time to just be as creative as I possibly could. But then I realized sleep was the thing that people wanted the most Sleep music or sleep guided meditations and anxiety to relieve stress, all that sort of thing. So then I realized that they were the mainstays, they were the ones to really focus on. And then I'd do some bits and pieces in between, but most of them didn't sort of take off.
Speaker 2:Videos about anxiety or for helping with anxiety and sleep. So it was kind of the two main ones Sleep.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, there's one that I'm fascinated by. There's this channel or this video that I found. I was searching for yoga, nidra meditation. I was going to share a screen, so anybody who's listening, I want to describe what's going on, but if you're watching, you're going to be able to see this video. So this one. Here we go. Can you see my screen now, jason? Yes, yes, yeah, cool. So this one video here. I'm fascinated by this right, and I need to reach out to Lizzie and actually get in touch with her, because if you look at her channel for a long time at least I don't know if it's exactly still the same she had three videos on there, and two of them had like 43 views and 86 views or something like this right, 43 views and 86 views or something like this, right, and one of them had 14 million, you know, and I was just like, oh, my goodness, she doesn't kind of know quite what to do with what she's sitting on.
Speaker 2:If you look now, like a lot of her videos have got yeah, she's doing a lot more now, but they've got like a thousand ish views, 300 views. Maybe this one's only got 59. This one's got 1.7 000, you know, but then she's got this one absolute standout. So she's got three now, three that have done really well. So 14 million, 1.1 million, 413 000. So your ceo of your, of your business, uh, jamie, when did you start working with him?
Speaker 1:uh. So we started working back in, uh, about 2018, 2019, just prior to covid. Okay, he started actually he he just started as a monitor, you know, for the chats, for the live chats, okay, yeah, and I saw that he was a really good, really good with people and everything. I thought this guy, he shows up, he's good, and then we met because he lives in Adelaide. I'm up in a little town called Peterborough, lives in Adelaide, I'm up in the little town called Peterborough, and then we met and I got to see that he's very systems orientated, putting things together.
Speaker 1:And I was all over the shop and because the channel was growing so big, the audience was so big, I was all over the place and I just thought, my goodness, I think I need him. I need him to start to pull this together and tidy things up. And his promise to me was and that was five years ago he said to me Jason, I'm going to create something for you that you will never have to worry about any of this. And he said you will be able to walk away and your business will be taken care of. And that has happened. All I do now is record one guided meditation. I get them in blocks of about four or eight or something like that. I've got a month to do them, so I'm literally working for one hour a week. That's all I have to do. And, um, yeah, the systems are in place now. I don't even edit my videos. I don't edit the sound. I send the raw voice file over with all mistakes and all, and everyone takes care of it the whole team. Now, everything's done.
Speaker 2:It's very blessed, very blessed so what's the so you've, what's the way that you're making money from that? Is that from the youtube ads, or is there other things that are going on there as well?
Speaker 1:yeah, that's um, mainly we're making money from the youtube ad revenue. That's probably, I would say, 90 percent of our income. Yeah, it's about 90 or even 80 percent of our income, because other things are beginning to catch up now. So we've got we put up things in Insight Timer. That's a meditation app we also put up. Spotify is beginning to take off for us now. So now Jamie and the team, they're really focusing on delivering a lot of content to Spotify.
Speaker 2:Yeah, two to three tracks a week. Wow. Are they taking ones that have already been on YouTube, or is it new ones?
Speaker 1:Yeah, taking ones that are already on YouTube, plus all the new ones, and we've also got a back catalog of hundreds of meditation. So we're starting a meditation podcast. So that's only just started. So it's quite exciting because it feels like it's all starting again. So who knows what's going to happen now?
Speaker 2:yeah, it's so good to diversify media.
Speaker 2:I think it's one of those funny things, I think, because when you've got something that's working, the thing to do is double down on that and and just put all your effort onto one thing that's working. But at some point it makes sense to go and diversify to something else when it's like, because what if that first thing disappears for some reason? What if youtube goes? No, I don't like you anymore. They don't tend to do that nearly as much as facebook did it, or, yeah, who else would be really bad for that? Facebook ads people, when they were using that, would have trouble with that all the time. Youtube's's not so bad.
Speaker 1:But let me tell you, it's not like it can't happen, you know. Let me tell you, it happened to us.
Speaker 2:Oh, go on, tell me.
Speaker 1:And one million subscribers. And in fact I'll tell you this is the crazy part of all of this. I just received the golden play button for one million subscribers and Jamie was with us at that point. Subscribers, and Jamie was with us at that point. He'd just started and woke up one morning and the whole channel was gone, it said due to violations. And he called me and he says have you seen the channel? I said no, no. He said go and have a look.
Speaker 1:And I've looked and I'm like my heart, oh, it's just a and I thought, no, no, this can't be right. So I'm pushing going, all videos, everything, the whole entire channel taken down. And after that I knew then that we cannot rely on this revenue, just can't rely on it. I even said to my finance advisor, I said where, I said, you know, I said he was getting excited about money coming in and I said, honestly, I said I'm taking it one day at a time. I said this could be gone at any point in time, so it's a blessing when it comes in and just be happy with it. Every time we get another chunk in, just be happy Because, anyway, things have changed now.
Speaker 1:And, um, well, what happened? How'd you get it back? Uh, that particular one was an absolute, like it was a fault. Um, luckily, I had a contact in google, because I just I've done a talk at google sydney, they, they, and so, because I had contacts there, I was ringing them and we had the partner manager on the emails and we had everyone fighting for us. But I'm telling you now, it was off for about two and a half days. So I resigned to the fact that it wasn't coming back. And I remember opening up my golden plaque on my Facebook audience, which at that time had about 30,000 people. I was devastated. Here's my YouTube plaque Million subscribers all gone, wow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, so definitely good that you're moving over to Spotify and stuff as well. Yes, yes, the other thing that's a really big deal is an email list, because the email list you own and nobody gets to take that one away. So do you do much with collecting people's emails from the channel? I saw you have like some free meditations people can download.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's an interesting point, that one, and that's probably up for negotiation as time moves on. At the moment, yes, we are collecting emails and I think we have about 30,000 or 40,000, 50,000, maybe 60,000 now I'm not quite sure. I haven't checked that for a long time. But all we do we don't sell anything to that group. All we're currently doing is sending them one letter a week encouragement for the weekend and just something to take a few breaths or stress release, or just very simple, simple, once a week email. And that's because when the company split the Zen Media Group that I own and then the other ones partially owned by myself and by Jamie when it split, all the courses went over to Zen Media Group and the other ones sort of owned by the two of us and that's Relax Me Online Australia's list. So it's not to say that we can't sell courses on that list. Down the track I'm sure.
Speaker 1:Jamie and I can come up with some sort of a deal, uh, that we work on something together. But um, yeah, I've started another little list anyway.
Speaker 2:But yeah, so if so if somebody signs up now, let's say, someone goes to your messed up dear listener, I, I you might not know this, but I messed up a little bit ago and I thought I was stopping sharing screen and instead I was stopping recording. So, and instead I was stopping recording so that if there was a bit where the episode sounds a bit odd, then you know why that's happened. Um, and I'm just going to go have a look now and try not to mess it up this time jason's uh, jason's videos. So if I go to these videos and one of your recent ones and we look at um, we look at the, the link for downloading something, what?
Speaker 2:list does this one go into now?
Speaker 1:yeah, so that's relax me online, um, and they can get the yeah, free, free meditations. Yeah, um, yeah, and that's. That's a basic newsletter that goes out on a weekly basis, once a week so if week.
Speaker 2:So where are you building the other email list from? Are you having anything else going here?
Speaker 1:So, no, there's nothing there about my new list Nothing at all. Gotcha Okay, and that's something that Jamie and I have got to work together still on work out, especially if I'm to launch another course. Yeah, we've got to work something out yeah, what is your?
Speaker 2:how many new, I say how many views do you get a month at the moment? Do you know ballpark?
Speaker 1:uh, youtube yeah I could, yeah, I could just about work it out. So about I'd say, around about the hundred thousand view mark hundred thousand.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'd say that, yeah For the week Per week.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, okay, so about 400,000 views a month Got it yeah, I would think so. Yeah, and is that across the two channels, or is that?
Speaker 1:That's, across the two channels.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yep, got it. So after the episode was done, I actually got Jason to go back in and check out on his YouTube studio how many views he's really getting, and I think he said he thought he was getting like a hundred thousand or 200,000 maybe views a month. 7 million, 7 million views in the last 28 days is what he's actually been getting. So it gives you an idea of the scale of this thing, uh, of just how much, how successful this, this channel, is.
Speaker 2:Okay, so what we're typically seeing if you set everything up right. So if you, if you've got it set up right with the opt-ins and there's a there's a number of little steps. We might go through some of those here then you can get typically like a one to maybe 2% opt-in rate per view from YouTube. So if you're getting 200,000 views a month and you're getting 1% opt-in rate, that'd be 2,000 opt-ins a month, and if it was 2%, you'd be getting 4,000 opt-ins a month. So if you figured that one out, there's a number of little things to do. It's nothing massively complicated Actually. Let me just share I'll share screen.
Speaker 2:I'll show you. Um right, I'm gonna do my best to describe everything I'm doing, so if you're listening to this, then you're not like come on, john, what's going on here? Okay, so the the steps are, and some of them you've got in place. I'm just going to pause this video.
Speaker 2:Here is the above the fold bit here, especially the first line is mentioning that they can get something. So it says here, but it actually is above the fold, yes, so I want to saying anybody listening above the fold, I mean before they click the bit where it says more so it has to kind of show it before that point. So that's one having. Interestingly, having less other links increases the option rate, because if there's less other things to click on, then it kind of reduces distractions.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Another one is to change the have the pinned comment, which currently is getting people to subscribe. Is having that one as a link, a link to the, the option as well and then the last one, which really makes a big difference, is to mention it somewhere in the video as well and this one's a three hour video, so it's normally we often do it towards the end, so somewhere kind of towards the beginning and then somewhere again towards the end.
Speaker 2:So if they uh, if you had something mentioning it like just as they're about to get started in this, then that can make a difference as well yeah, I don't know if that will fit with the way that you do these videos.
Speaker 2:You know, I'm not sure if that'd be a good fit, but, like, if we look at um, let me pull up 30 by 40. So this is um eric, who helps architects with their running their business better, and we worked with him for a while. He's got a very good channel and you'll see here in the pinned comment he's got links to different downloads that he's mentioned in the video and they can go and get those in the pinned comment and so that all adds up. Now one of the people who's doing this best is quite a small channel. This is my friend, jack, and Jack is teaching people banjo, and so all of his videos are about something called claw hammer banjo. It's a very specific type of banjo and if you see in his I'm going to just click on one and hope that Jack's stuck to doing everything right Get the tab here. So he's teaching people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, in this video he's teaching people a song. This looks like the blackest crow is the song, and so in the video he's saying to them first thing to do is go get the tab. So he's explaining how to do that. Right towards the end he does the intro and he says where to get the tab and that's like in the, in the link there. So it's a really good fit between the video and the download. So that's kind of a thing that works particularly well for him. He's kind of figured out tabs is like the main one and he's got it as the first line, not even the second line of the description. He doesn't have it as the pinned comment. If he did that, that would probably help a little bit as well. That's kind of some of the things that can grow, the grow the opt-ins but that's basically I mean.
Speaker 2:If you're selling courses in your new gig, that's where the money is in. Courses is in the email list yeah yeah, people on the email list and then you can run promotions to the email list.
Speaker 1:That's kind of how course businesses work yeah, so I'm basically I am starting, and again with another. As I said, I got about 1700 people, but I'm also looking at starting a brand new YouTube channel again.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:But? But I will tell you, I've changed my mind about three or four times as to what the channel is going to be about. I have a bit of a problem with this. You know, I really do have a problem, because I start on it and I go, no, no, that's not what I want to do, no, I'll try another one. And then I go, no, that doesn't feel right. No, and then I'll try and I keep. If you saw my channel list of how many channels I've previously opened, you just go. It's about 30 channels.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God Wow.
Speaker 1:But that's over a period of years, uh. But yeah, most of them didn't start, you know. They lasted for about two days. I got tired of them. I don't sound much of a meditation teacher, do I?
Speaker 2:maybe that's why you need meditation for yourself, right? So what kind of courses have you made so far?
Speaker 1:I've made, uh, I've made a breath work course which I love. I love breath work, so that's the active, active breath work, so breathing in, usually in and out through the mouth, one co-creating miracles, courses on abundance, courses on stress relief, courses on empowered sleep formula. I've done so many different courses but you know in all honesty, and I'm sure maybe something we've done wrong along the way.
Speaker 1:But we never had much success with courses in all this time, and so I will be tuning into your channel, believe me, really, because I do feel like I'm starting again and maybe I've got this. Maybe I'm here for another reason.
Speaker 2:Maybe I'm here to yeah, yeah, I mean I would be shocked if you couldn't make a lot of revenue from selling, from selling courses, with the the size of channel that you've got. Um, I'd be, I'd be really stunned, because so it's, there's three parts, I think really to uh a course business. This is at least how I see it one is you've got to have the audience.
Speaker 2:The second thing is you've got to have, uh, courses that have got product market fit. So it has to be courses that that audience wants to buy. And and some audiences are not, some people's audiences, no matter what the niche, aren't the ones who are interested in buying courses. That does happen. You know, we've had people where they're in the same niche as another client of ours and the other client is doing great and this person, the first person, isn't, even though they're in the same niche, because they've built the audience differently. They do different types of videos or what have you. So there has to be a product, it has to be your audience is a course buying audience and they, they're interested in that kind of topic but then the third is, what's more often missing is the email.
Speaker 2:marketing and funnels is like how do you get the audience you've got to to hear about the courses in the way You've got to get them?
Speaker 2:on the email list. You've got to send out the right kind of email promotions. You've got to have the right kind of sales pages and checkout pages and order bumps and upsells and all of this stuff, this funnel malarkey thing that we do. You've got to have that stuff right and more often that's the bit that's kind of missing. So my suspicion is that's probably the bit that's missing for you. I couldn't say for certain, without diving into all the kind of details and stuff, but yeah, that's probably the situation that you're in in terms of like you just haven't had that bit. What? So what have you tried in terms of the, the sending the courses? How is that?
Speaker 1:well, one of the one of the first. The first courses we developed was the empowered sleep formula, and that was because we really thought that we'll tap into the sleep market as well. But what we found was that it seemed like everyone was already happy and getting what they wanted with our videos. All they wanted to do was get to sleep. So if the videos were solving that problem, then why would they bother to pay extra money for a course when it's already working? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And this is what I started to realize. I thought this, and even the marketing lady Lynn, when she was working with us. She just said they don't want to buy.
Speaker 1:They've got everything they need. All they wanted was to be asleep, and you're putting them to sleep was to be asleep and you're putting them to sleep. So it was just this small audience that we were finding that was actually there not just to sleep, but they found the meditations empowering and uplifting, and that's the market that I started to go towards. Was the uh, you know, the motivational, the affirmations, the I am enough, all that sort of thing. So that's what we ended up targeting, but it just seemed so, so minute so minute.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna have a chat with yosip after this and kind of review what you've got and what you just said, and just it kind of makes sense of it. But I I feel like there's something I'm sure, yeah, there's something. I mean that's what you're convinced right, because that's what you just said and just kind of make some sense of it. But I, I feel like there's something. I'm sure, yeah, there's something. I mean that's what you're convinced right, because that's what you're going off to work on, that's your new playground, right?
Speaker 1:yeah, well, the. The new playground now is this is where I'm now going. Okay, I've got this whole new opportunity to begin again. Uh, and so which direction do I want to go in? Because I love creating the online courses. I've loved creating them. I actually find it really enjoyable creating the communities, creating the courses, putting it together and getting it out there. I love that part of it. So, it's just finding that okay. So where do I want to go now? Who do I want to market to?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Makes sense amazing. Well, jason, thanks so much for coming on today and kind of sharing your story about how this all got built out. Um, I think it's absolutely fascinating. I'm convinced there is something here. I'm going to follow up with you after this. Yes, thank you and help me figure this out, because I'm just like, yeah, you've got like, yeah, you've got something really powerful here. If people want to go check out your channel or your website, where should they go?
Speaker 1:They can go to the wwwjasonstevensonnet, okay, and they can download one of our guided meditations and they'll be put onto the Relax Me Online list. I haven't got the Zen Media Group final page up yet, so I'll be talking to you about that, john.
Speaker 2:Yeah, nice, perfect. Well, thanks so much for coming on today. I really, really appreciate it. You're welcome. I just had a banjo video. Start playing there.
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Speaker 2:Or, if you're listening in, like Spotify or something, I think, you can just scroll down, hit the stars and just give it. You know, hit the five, hopefully five star rating. So make my day If you give us a five star review. That'd be awesome. Make sure to make sure to. Or you can do this on YouTube as well. The podcast goes up on YouTube too, so you can go to search for John Ainsworth on YouTube and then put a review on there. Or if you're watching it there, then give the review there. Make sure to subscribe wherever you're listening if you found this interesting and you want to get future episodes, and we will see you all next time. Thanks again, jason, bye, bye. Thanks, john.